Struktur
Verb[た]+ ところで +Phrase[ない]
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Tentang たところで
~たところで is a grammar construction that combines the simple-past form of a verb, the noun ところ 'place', and the case-marking particle で.
As with most other grammar patterns that ところ is seen with, the focus is on the situation of the verb occurring. ~たところで is often translated as 'even if (A), not (B)', or 'even if (A), it won't be (B)'.
This 'even if' nuance is created by the fact that ~たところで sentences will never have something in the past tense in the second half of the sentence, despite using the past tense before ところ. This is similar to the English 'even if (A) were to happen, (B) would still not occur'.
As can be seen by the examples above, ~たところで will convey things that are counter to what the speaker either wants to, or wishes would happen. Due to this, the (B) half of the sentence will almost always be something unfavorable.
Fun Fact
Due to ~たところで always marking some kind of negative result in (B), (A) will often be preceded by words such as 今さら, いくら, or どんなに. These usually just emphasize the frustration that the speaker feels about the inevitable result.
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徹夜で勉強したところで、合格しない。
Even if I studied all night, I would not pass.
「いまごろ車に乗って行ったところで間に合いようがない。」
Even if you went by car right now, you would not to be on time.
「謝ってみたところで、彼女が許してくれるわけじゃないけど。」
'Even if I try to apologize, it doesn't mean she will forgive me.'
「たとえ失敗してしまったところで、 問題はありません。」
'Even if you fail, there will not be a problem.'
私が告白したところで、彼女は応じないだろう。
Even if I confessed my love, she wouldn't respond.
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brodric
Bunpro describes the grammar structure as describing a futile action (A) that will have no bearing over negative result (B), but I was left confused by the example sentence 「たとえ失敗してしまったところで、問題はありません。」. Am I supposed to assume there is some hidden context behind 「問題はありません。」? And does that 失敗してしまう is a futile attempt at changing that?
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