Estructura
Noun + 抜きで(は)
Noun + 抜きに(は)
Noun + を + 抜きにして(は)
Noun + は + 抜きとして(は)
Noun + 抜き + の + Noun
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Acerca de 抜きで
抜きで, a combination of the noun form of the う-Verb 抜く 'to extract', and the particle で, is a construction that usually indicates something being done 'without (A)', or 'with the removal of (A)'. As ぬき indicates the extraction of something, this grammar pattern is primarily used to indicate 'leaving out', or 'setting aside' something that is regularly included.
抜きで acts as a suffix, so will be utilized after nouns, to indicate the thing that is being left out. Both the plain hiragana and kanji forms are fairly common. Additionally, の will replace で when ぬき is followed directly by another noun.
Occasionally, にして may also replace で, but this structure is more common when the part (B) section of the sentence includes a ない or できない based statement. These expressions indicate that something 'will not happen without (A)', or 'is not possible without (A)'.
However; this is not always the case, as ぬきで or ぬきでは may also appear in negative sentences, with the same meaning.
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Ejemplos
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リスク抜きには決してフグを食べられない。
You can never eat fugu without risk.
「クソ、渋滞だ。あいつら、パーティーをオレ抜きで始めそうだ。」
'Damn, a traffic jam. It seems that they will start the party without me.'
「食べれる」のような「ら」抜きの言葉は人気になっている。
Words without 'ら', like '食べれる' are getting more popular.
Ｃ：「ＡとＢは付き合ってんのよ」Ｄ：「マジ！？冗談抜きで？」
C: 'A and B are dating!' D: 'Whaa? No kidding? (without joking)'
夫婦の会話：「子供抜きでどこか面白いところに行こう！」
A conversation between a married couple: 'Let's go somewhere fun, without the children!'
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抜きで – Discusión de Gramática
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okayfrog
私にとってコーラぬきでハンバーガーを食べることは考えられない
why is 抜きの considered wrong here? In “Structure” it says to use 抜きの before a noun.
zconnor
Using 抜きで implies that the prior thing is removed from the following action, i.e., the action of eating a hamburger, without having cola. Using 抜きの would imply removing the prior thing from the directly following noun, i.e., removing cola from the hamburger, which doesn’t make sense.
okayfrog
That makes sense to me. I’m more having an issue with the fact that it says this in the “About” section:
Additionally, の will replace で when ぬき is followed directly by another noun.
In the example I posted, ぬき is followed directly by another noun, yet の would not make sense here. So in that case, の will not replace で despite the fact that it’s saying there that it should.