そんなにSo (much), That much, Like that

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  The111

  I could be misunderstanding, but up until now I thought the structure section described literal physical layout. I.e. a ‘+’ sign describes two words being physically connected. And in many cases, this type of physical connection matters, regardless of the deeper semantics, so it’s important to understand what those rules of physical structure are.

  So in this case it’s a bit strange to see examples that are そんなに + noun, when that’s not listed as an acceptable structure. I understand that the noun alone is not being modified semanticall...

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  JamesBunpro

  This is something we’ve discussed internally before as sometimes people do get confused about this sort of structure section. Nothing is decided yet, but we do want to try to improve the legibility of the structure sections. If you have any other thoughts then further feedback on this is very welcome!

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  The111

  Thanks. For starters I’ll reiterate that I think “そんなに + phrase” should be an option. An even bigger smoking gun in support of that:

  そんなに迷惑をかけたと思っていなかったです。すみませんでした。
  I didn’t think that I was causing that much trouble. I’m sorry (for what I did).

  I think this is a general problem on other grammar points too, see also here.

  But even then, there will still be confusion when the modifier acts directly on a single word that it’s not “touching”. The only way I can think of to solve that is to add some kind of legend or “help” link to the structure boxes, to explain how the structure “math” works (specifically that + doesn’t require physical adjacency).