う・よう + とするTry to, Attempt to, To be about to

最近の返信 (合計13件)

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  mrnoone

  English translation:
  try to・attempt to・to be about to

  Structure:
  Verb[ よう ] + とする

  Explanation:
  [An action/attempt that requires effort, targets direct goals ・ Past tense suggests failure or lack of knowledge about result]

  Verb[よう]としても(even if someone attempts to) can be contracted to Verb[よう] + たって/ったって。

  View on Bunpro

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  seanblue

  I don’t think the alternate answers are valid.
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  mrnoone

  Fixed

  Sorry for that

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  seanblue

  It was really not obvious from the translation that this needed to be in ても form. Now that I know the answer, the Japanese makes sense. But it’s hard to get this Japanese just from the English.
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  mrnoone

  I

  Thanks for informing us about the issue!

  I fixed it so that there should be no confusion. What do you think?

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  seanblue

  The “remember about conjugation” hint? Can’t say it would have helped. But I can’t think of a better wording for the English translation that would tell you to use ても form.

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  mrnoone

  Also 何回も in color

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  jeffusan

  Just wanted to say that I really like the note next to the caution icon:

  Verb[よう]としても(even if someone attempts to) can be contracted to Verb[よう] + たって/ったって。

  …as it explains how its composed in terms of other grammar (albeit briefly), as I had wrote about a while back in a feature request.

  I’m hoping this means I can expect more in the future ?

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  Pep95

  I’m not sure if it’s just me, but I find the title of ～ようとする is a bit confusing at times.

  Wouldn’t naming it “Verb[ volitional ] + とする” be much more fitting instead?

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  Pushindawood

  @Pep95 Sounds much more fitting! I have updated the title of the grammar point to match your suggestion. Cheers!

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  bthnrs

  What’s the real difference between this point and ようにする (n4, lesson 7)?

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  EbonyMidget

  The general answer from Stackexchange and HiNative seems to be that ようにする follows the second definition on Bunpro “to make sure that”, whereas ようとする is something you’re going to try to do. Perhaps it’d help to think about the N5 point にする to remember the difference.

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  FredKore

  As I understand it, ようにする is usually attached to habits or larger end goals that you are trying to achieve. ようとする is attached to some effort that you are struggling to do.

  ジムに行くようにする。I’m trying to go to the gym. (I’m trying to make it a regular habit, but I just started.)
  ジムに行こうとする。I’m trying to go to the gym. (…right now, as we speak, but the wind and rain and traffic is making it impossible!)

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  casual

  I don’t understand this test sentence:

  ひよこは親のように飛ぼうとしても、できなかった。
  Even though the chick attempted to fly like its parents, it couldn’t.

  Neither Bunpro’s item, nor any of the linked resources explain when Verb[Volitional]としても would be used instead of Verb[Volitional]とする and what the difference is.

  A warning note just briefly mentions it as (even if someone attempts to). This sounds like it would be used about hypothetical situations that haven’t happened yet.

  In this sentence the situation already happened, the chick already tried to fly like parents and failed.

  It sounds to me like 飛ぼうとしたが would be correct for a situation that already happened, but it is marked incorrect.