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N4 Leçon 2: 3/17

までEven, To even, To the extent of

Structure

Verb[る]+ まで()
Noun + まで()

Détails

  • Niveau de langue

    Standard

  • Kanji rare

À propos de まで

The adverbial particle まで is used in the same way as many other adverbial particles, in that it is highlighting that the statement that comes after it as important in some way. However, unlike our first look at まで, which discussed its use as 'until', this use of まで has the nuance of 'even', or 'to the extent'. It can be used after verbs or nouns.

Although using まで as 'even' may seem different to 'until', they are essentially the same thing in Japanese. This is because まで always means '(A) まで, (B)', where (A) is the 'limitation/extent', and (B) is the 'noteworthy factor'. This 'noteworthy factor' will usually be a descriptive word/phrase, such as a verb, adjective, or explanation.

Fun Fact

The particle is sometimes grouped together with まで, when the meaning is 'even'. This just adds emphasis to the fact that the event is somewhat surprising, or that the result is satisfying.



Exemples

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    こっちまでイライラしてきた。

    Even I am starting to get annoyed. (to the extent・until)

    それまでやらなくてはいけないの?

    I have to even do that? (to the extent・until)

    (あたま)まで(いた)くなってきた

    Even my head is starting to hurt. (to the extent・until)

    夜中(よなか)まで日本語(にほんご)文法(ぶんぽう)勉強(べんきょう)ている

    I'm studying Japanese grammar until the middle of the night. (to the extent・until)

    (なか)()ているとき(くま)果実(かじつ)まで()

    Bears will even go as far as to eat berries when they are hungry. (to the extent・until)

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      まで – Discussion Grammaire

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      • jelly1

        jelly1

        The structure box says it is used with dictionary verbs but from what I’ve seen (examples included), it’s used with 〜て form.

        e.g. 大ケガしてまで手に入れた

      • Konachan

        Konachan

        Like @jelly1, I also got confused by the 〜て form used in the examples.

        I got confused by the example: “お金を払ってまでテストを受けたくない” Which uses 払う in its て-form so I searched a the www a bit and came to the conclusion: Using the dictionary form in the above example (お金を払うまでテストを受けたくない) would be translated to “I don’t want to take the test until I payed for it” which fits “Verb + まで” (N5 Lesson 8 6/13) but not までも. As this is new grammar for me, feel free to correct me if I’m wrong but I think it should be “Verb[て] まで”

        • How to use まで ( = made) – Maggie Sensei (A reference included here on bunpro) also states “5. even […] (3) Vて ( verb te-form) + まで ( = made): to do something even doing something/ to go so far as ~”
      • glideus

        glideus

        I’ve also submitted the same report, but never heard back. I also think they meant to put て instead of る.

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