な-AdjectiveAdjectives that are also nouns

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  Jake

  adjectives

  Structure

  • なAdjective + だ
  • なAdjective + な + Noun

  Some な-Adjectives can end in い
  (きれい)

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  Andulien

  I think for easier understanding you should note here that な is left off when next to a Verb. Right now this can be easily missed. Especially since this is a big difference in usage compared to い-Adjectives.

  な-Adjective + [な] + だ / です

  な-Adjective + な + Noun

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  seanblue

  Next to a verb? In those cases shouldn’t you use に to make it an adverb?

  By the way, @mrnoone, is there even a grammar point for changing な-adjectives into adverbs? Or for い-adjectives for that matter?

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  mrnoone

  It is on the to-do list, we haven’t decided on level yet.

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  Andulien

  No I meant more like point out more clearly the difference between:
  綺麗 な 絵え。
  あれは綺麗 です。

  Omitting the な in the second example, whereas in the first it needs to stay.

  With い adjectives the い stays in both examples.
  新しい 絵え。
  あれは新しい です。

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  seanblue

  So nothing to do with verbs, but I get what you mean now.

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  Superpnut

  It’s been a while since you posted it but your comment answered my question. The site isn’t very clear about when na is omitted and you said it in plain english. Ty

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  gyroninja

  Unlike with い adjectives which all end with い. な adjectives do NOT all end with な (almost all of them don’t). For example, if you look in the dictionary there will be 綺麗 but not 綺麗な.

  な adjectives get their name from how you add な when you want to use a な adjective to describe a noun (when you want to put the な adjective in attributive form).

  This structure is shown on this site’s page for the grammar point as " な-Adjective + な + Noun"

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  Superpnut

  Thanks…but the homie Andulien already said that three years ago. That’s why I told him thanks even though it had been a long time. Thank you for being helpful and I appreciate you helping me. How long have you been learning japan because you know so much. Kind of jealous because I’ve been really struggling but that is mostly because I am what is commonly referred to as “dumb as hell”.

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  gyroninja

  Andulien’s perspective of there always being a な is a nonstandard way of analyzing things. You could similarly say there is always a だ after な adjectives except in cases where there isn’t and that would be just as valid as his view.

  The standard way to look at it is that you just have the な adjective and then you add stuff based off how you use it.

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  Superpnut

  But he didn’t say there is always a な except when there isn’t…
  All he said is that there isn’t a な when the adjective is next to a verb.
  And I was showing appreciation because I was trying to figure out why there wasn’t a な
  Anyways it doesn’t matter I have some more basic grammar points to struggle to understand

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  gyroninja

  If you read his posts you can see he used words like “left off” and “omit.” And in the way he compares な adjectives to い adjectives, he makes me think that he believed that な adjectives have a な at the end of them.

  As mentioned earlier in the thread if you want to use a な adjective on a verb you need to use に after the な adjective instead of な.