Grammar Info

N1 Lesson 8: 11/19

にしたところでEven, Even for, Even from the perspective of, Even in the case of

Structure

Noun + にしたところで(1)

Less formal:
Noun + にしたって(2)

(1)としたところで
(2)としたって

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About にしたところで

にしたところで or としたところで are two expressions that are used to indicate the hypothetical situation of (A), from within which the result of (B) will not change. These structures primarily express a lack of power over the ultimate result, or a lack of significant difference between (A) and any other potential choice. Translations include 'even in the case of (A), (B)', or 'even for (A), (B)'.

These structures combine either of the case-marking particles と or に with the past tense of する, した, the noun ところ, used for marking the situation, and the case marking particle で. It will directly follow nouns or noun-modified phrases.

These patterns can be thought of more simply as a combination of にする 'going with (A)' or とする 'as (A)', and the たところで 'even if (A), not (B)' grammar structure that indicates negative outcomes.

In casual situations, たところで will occasionally be replaced with たって.

Examples

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    誰(だれ)にでも欠点(けってん)はある。完全(かんぜん)な田中(たなか)さんとしたって同(おな)じだ。

    Everyone has faults. It is the case even for the perfect Tanaka.

    「え？倒産(とうさん)するか合併(がっぺい)するかだって？どちらにしたって、僕(ぼく)にとってはマズイ事(こと)だ…。」

    ‘Huh? You’re talking about either declaring bankruptcy or merging? Even in either case, for me they’re bad things...’

      ５人(にん)の子供(こども)のお母(かあ)さんにしたところで、まだまだ子育(こそだ)てにおいて学(まな)ぶことがあるだろう。

      Even in the case of it being a mother of 5, there are probably still plenty of things to learn regarding child rearing.

        彼(かれ)は非常(ひじょう)に深刻(しんこく)な状態(じょうたい)だ。天才(てんさい)医師(いし)のジャックにしたところで何(なに)もできない。

        He is in very serious condition. Even the genius-doctor Jack cannot do anything.

        「ありがとう」や「ごめんなさい」という小(ちい)さな言葉(ことば)にしたって、聞(き)く側(がわ)には大(おお)きな意味(いみ)を持(も)ちます。

        Even little words like ‘thank you’ and ‘I’m sorry’ hold a lot of meaning for those on the receiving end.

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            にしたところで – Grammar Discussion

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            • jelly1

              jelly1

              Some of the としたところで/としたって examples follow 〜た form verbs but this isn’t explained anywhere on the page. It would be nice to have this clarified.

              Can にしたところで/にしたって also follow verbs as well?

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