致(いた)すTo do (Humble)

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  Jake

  to do (humble)

  Structure

  • する → いたす
  • お/ご + Verb[stem] + いたします

  [This grammar is used when speaking about YOU or YOUR GROUP (like company)]

  [There are many exceptions to the ‘YOU’ rule. See examples for more information]

  [お attaches to kanji of Japanese origin (kunyomi), while ご attaches to kanji of Chinese origin (onyomi)]

  [Expressions that have 「拝」(like 拝見、拝借) don’t take the prefix ご/お since 拝 already performs a similar function. In other words, they are respectful enough already]

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  mrthuvi

  運転免許をご拝見いたしますか
  Why is ご not accepted here?

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  mrnoone

  @mrthuvi

  Hey

  Expressions that have 「拝」(like 拝見、拝借) don’t take the prefix ご/お since 拝 already performs a similar function. In other words, they are respectful enough already.

  By the way, it would be also correct (but less humble) if する was used.

  I hope it helps!
  Cheers!

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  mrthuvi

  For this sentence:
  やる気のある方を、店員として募集いたします。
  would this work:
  店員として募集いたしています。

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  golmschenk

  One of the example sentences for this grammar point is:
  ______てもよろしいですか。[Humble 借りる (拝借)]
  With the correct answer being:
  はいしゃくし
  It seems strange that the grammar of いたす gets smushed down to just し here. I would have expected something more along the lines of:
  はいしゃくいたし
  Can anyone explain what the いた part is dropped here? Thank you!

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  Pushindawood

  @golmschenk Hi! Both 拝借しても and 拝借いたしても are acceptable answers here. Since 拝借 is already a humble enough expression it does not necessarily need いたす after it and can use the less humble する. I hope this helps. Cheers!

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  nickyelkovan

  In one of the examples, it points out the lack of ご being used as an honorific prefix and says it is an exception that needs to be memorized. I also noticed this in another example, where ご出発 was not accepted because it means the customer is departing instead of the company’s train. These link here, and tell you to read it for an explanation of the exceptions, but the linked post doesn’t seem to mention anything about it.

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  DarkConfidant

  What is the main difference between this and お＋stem＋する, as learned in lesson 9 of N4?

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  rwmleach

  Came here to ask a similar question to @DarkConfidant .

  I saw 募集する and the prompt was “humble / polite” so I tried お募集します. It was incorrect and I was given 募集いたします as the right answer.

  Moments before I had the opposite happen with 電話する.

  How do you know when する will go one way and when it will go the other?

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  Senaki

  I have the same question as @DarkConfidant and @rwmleach, I keep getting answers wrong as sometimes お＋stem＋する is the answer and othertimes いたす。

  Is there a trick to this that we’re missing?

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  nekoyama

  The difference is explained in a comment in this thread by @mrnoone; it’s also linked at the top of this thread. Is there anything else that’s unclear?

  Regarding 募集 specifically, note that the example sentence with 募集 has an orange note that this is one of the exceptions where ご (not お) is not used.

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  rwmleach

  The explanation in that thread makes sense for the examples given, because there is context of office hierarchy and who is involved in the conversation.

  But here are example sentences from the grammar points in Bunpro:

  “I will wait in front of the station. [humble]”
  “We will send the merchandise tomorrow. [humble]”

  “I (will) humbly close the door.”
  “I humbly borrowed a computer from my friend’s mother.”

  The first two are いたします, the last two are お〜する. Without any context other than this prompt, I don’t see the difference.

  The link you gave says お〜する “has the nuance that you show respect to the person you are talking about”. But if “I” will close the door or borrow a computer, aren’t I talking about myself?

  So I guess really what @DarkConfidant, @Senaki and I are probably missing is something in the prompt like “...

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  nekoyama

  I tried these questions with cram. The する ones seem to accept いたします as correct with no further comment. The いたす ones don’t accept します but the answer isn’t marked incorrect; I was only asked to make it even more polite (which is an obvious hint that I should use いたします).

  In other words, simply choosing the wrong option will mostly not result in being marked wrong. But these things can:

  • Choosing the wrong honorific prefix (お vs ご)
  • Applying a prefix when it’s not used with the word in question (e.g. with words that are already humble enough like 拝見 etc. or 失礼)
  • Applying a prefix when it can’t be used because the action doesn’t involve the person being shown humility (e.g. ご勉強 is wrong because studying doesn’t involve anyone else, while 勉強いたします is possible with いたす as a humble form of する)
  • Not applying a prefix with いたす when it’s not simply replacing the verb する.

  For some reason, the いたす questions only seem to produce an orange w...

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  Neko

  まだその映画を はいけんしていない ので、一緒に見に行きませんか。 [Humble 見る (拝見する)]

  Where in this answer is the いたす? I have the feeling this sentence should be part of the お~する grammarpoint istead of いたす What am i mussing?

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  nekoyama

  You’re missing the note concerning expressions with 拝 near the bottom of the notes. 拝見する is already humble by itself and comparable in that regard to other verbs + いたす.

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  Neorgus

  I came here to look this up too, because I was also confused by this. Thanks for the nudge, @nekoyama!

  To cite that note here:

  Expressions that have 「拝」(like 拝見、拝借) don’t take the prefix ご/お since 拝 already performs a similar function. In other words, they are respectful enough already

  For me, this does not say “also use する for them”, maybe that can be improved upon?

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  mattbacon

  I am confused about the last example “拝借はいしゃくしてもよろしいですか。”. Not only does it not use いたす, it also doesn’t use お〜する (I tried putting お at the beginning and it wasn’t accepted).

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  s1212z

  拝借 is already 謙譲語, there is a note about this in the front of the grammar point entry:

  [Expressions that have 「拝」(like 拝見、拝借) don’t take the prefix ご/お since 拝 already performs a similar function. In other words, they are respectful enough already]

  I believe you can use いたす with 拝借, but itasu sounds weird in this context with conjugation te-mo, feels like humble よろしい and 拝借 is already being stated here, whether wrong or not I don’t know.

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  CrisH

  I’m thinking any equivalent term that isn’t an example of the grammar point shouldn’t be included under it. I’ve mentioned before that I believe related, but not direct examples of the grammar point defeat the purpose of spaced repetition by not actually reminding you of what you’re trying to remember. If there are a select few humble equivalents for other words, they should have their own points or otherwise not be included at all. This isn’t a word-learning platform, after all.

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  tomwamt

  For

  まだその映画えいがを拝見はいけんしていないので、一緒いっしょに見みに行いきませんか。

  My first thought was 拝見していません or 拝見いたしていません but those were rejected. Is there a reason いない plain negative is required? Is it because of ので?