Structure
言うまでもない + こと(1) + だが + Phrase
(Phrase (A)) + 言うまでもなく + Phrase (B)
(Phrase (A)) + 言うまでもない + が(2) + Phrase (B)
(1) の
(2) けれども、けれど、けども、けど
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About 言うまでもない ②
Unlike は言うまでもない, which usually comes after other phrases, 言うまでもない tends to come at the beginning. It is a structure that combines the う - Verb 言う, two (2) adverbial particles まで and も, and the い-Adjective ない. This is regularly translated as 'it goes without saying that (A)', or 'it is needless to say (A)', where (A) is whatever comes later in the sentence.
言うまでもない is often followed directly by ことだが, が, けど, and similar expressions, to add the nuance of 'but'.
言うまでもない is often followed directly by ことだが, が, けど, and similar expressions, to add the nuance of 'but'.
- 言うまでもないことだが、毎日漢字の勉強をすれば、どんどん漢字を覚えることができる。It goes without saying that if you practice kanji everyday, you will steadily memorize them.
- 電化製品を使っている間、言うまでもないが、濡れた手や水の周りで使うのは危険だ。While you are using electronics, it is needless to say that you should not use them with wet hands or around water.
- 言うまでもないけど、君に会えて良かった。It goes without saying, but I am glad that I met you.
Fun Fact
言うまでもない is a polite way to express that something is 'obvious', without unintentionally sounding arrogant.- 言うまでもないことだが、お酒を飲んで運転をしてはいけない。Obviously, you should not drink and drive.
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Examples
A：「あのさ近づいちゃいけない動物っているの？」
B：「う～ん....ライオンやヘビみたいなのは言うまでもないけどカバも危ないよ。」A: 'Hey, are there any animals I shouldn't approach?'
B: 'Hmm, lions and snakes go without saying, but hippos are also dangerous.'言うまでもなく, 言うまでもないが and 言うまでもないけど can be used as 'not only' or 'but also'.
言うまでもないことだが、文章を読みやすくするために、括弧は使われている。
It goes without saying that brackets are used to make reading easier.
さだおさんの妻のえみさんは英語は言うまでもなく、韓国語も話せます。
Sadao-san's wife, Emi-san can speak Korean, not to mention English.
言うまでもないけど、それが恋だった。
It goes without saying, but that was love.
言うまでもないことだが、アルコールを飲んで泳いだら、溺れて死んでしまうかもしれない。
It goes without saying that if you drink and go swimming, then you might drown.
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言うまでもない ② – Grammar Discussion
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EdBunpro
That’s what I initially picked up on too, but was confused how the overall sentences meaning changed. Thanks for the examples!
chrischriskurisu
Can you help me understand something about the sample sentence いうまでもないけど、それが恋こいだった ?
Your rules say that if the phrase starts with 言うまでもない directly, then it should be followed by こと/の+だが、
And yet when I answered 言うまでもないことが、ぞれが恋恋だった？, it was marked wrong.
Didn’t I follow your rules? Maybe I made a typo?? I hope you can help. Sorry for the trouble.
Daru
Hey there!
It’s mostly because it doesn’t need to use the full structure all the time. It may be followed by ことだが, が, けど, and similar expressions, to add the nuance of ‘but’.
Adding こと nominalizes what comes before it to further contrast or make a point, as you can see in this sentence:
言うまでもないことだが、毎日漢字の勉強をすれば、どんどん漢字を覚
えることができる。
It goes without saying that if you practice kanji everyday, you will steadily memorize them.
The ‘that if you…’ nuance is what こと adds.
That’s why the answer in that specific sentence needs to be けど.
Hope this helps!
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