させられる (Causative-Passive)Verbs (Causative-passive voice), To be made to do something, To be forced to do

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  mrnoone

  Verb[Causative-Passive]

  Structure

  Verb	Ex. dictionary form	Conjugated	Conjugated short
  V(る1)→	見 る →	！見 させられる	ー
  V(す)→	話 す →	！話 させられる	ー
  V(る5)→	座 る →	座 らせられる	座 らされる
  V(う)→	歌 う →	歌 わせられる	歌 わされる
  V(く)→	歩 く →	歩 かせられる	歩 かされる
  V(つ)→	打 つ →	打 たせられる ...

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  zeynokiz

  Hi! I’m a little confused as to the conjugation of one of the sentences.

  お金出せば、全部払わさせれるよ。

  Unless I’m mistaken, shouldn’t the sentence be:

  お金出せば、全部払わせられるよ。
  OR
  お金出せば、全部払わされるよ。

  Thank you!

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  mrnoone

  Great find! It has been fixed!

  Thank you!

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  zeynokiz

  Thank you!

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  ezhmd
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  mrnoone

  Hey!

  It is proper Japanese, it should be working now

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  s1212z

  Kinda feel this sentence should be in the ‘causative-passive’ category and not ‘causative’ based on the translation. Does this agree?

  彼は凄い嫌と言っているが、このパーティーにこさせられた。
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  Johnathan-Weir

  For what I understand using causative here makes this spoken from OUR perspective. Whereas, causative-passive would be from HIS perspective. So either could be used depending on what perspective you want to speak from.

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  xBl4ck
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  mrnoone

  Fixed!
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  kzkr

  Hey, I’m not sure how commonly used they are, but I’m struggling a bit with understanding how constructs like ～てほしい or ～たい would interact with the Causative-Passive form. I think I understand how they work with the Causative or Passive forms on their own, but it’d be nice to double check those as well.

  Does ～たい actually even make sense? Since in the the explanation above it says:

  Causative passive is used when someone is unwilling, but is still made to do something.

  Regardless, given the example sentence:
  「 上司に力仕事をさせられる」
  「My boss forces me to do physical labor」

  Would these modifications be correct?

  Causative-Passive

  「 上司に力仕事をさせられたい」
  「I want my boss to force me to do physical labor」

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  Daru

  Hey there! Great question @kzkr.

  Depends on the context and what you want to say. A lot of time in Japanese, even though you can connect two grammar points, it doesn’t mean you should. Even then, I think this makes for an interesting exercise so let’s take a look!

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  kzkr

  Thanks for the wonderful insight, @Daru!
  It definitely helped clear things up a lot.

  I do agree that the example sentence I chose ended up sounding a bit weird, but there are cases where Passive Form + ...

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  Daru

  Happy to help!
  Just stating ○○さんに○○られたい definitely works as in you want to be done something by someone. From this perspective, I don’t think the sentence is ungrammatical.

  This word certainly gets you results on Twitter, that’s all I’m going to say.

  (You learn something everyday.

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  Dsingis

  I wonder, which form is more common in day-to-day japanese? 歩かせられる or 歩かされる ?

  My Genki textbook said, that both are “grammatical”, but the shorter form 歩かされる is much more common. Yet in Bunpro I see no such comment, and all the example sentences use the long form. Also Togofu only teaches the longer form al well.

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  Fuga

  Hey there! 歩かせられる is the more grammatical way of saying it, but 歩かされる is used in speech because it is a little easier to say. However, I feel like they are both equally as common since some people might prefer one over the other. Personally, speaking from a native perspective, I would used 歩かせられる when writing, but will use 歩かされる when I’m talking.

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  simias

  Thank you for this very useful precision!

  I wish Bunpro would have dedicated grammar entries to practice these common shortenings.

  Another one that trips me up often in a different genre is 〜れば → 〜りゃ.

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  Flaviovleal
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  nekoyama

  Because it’s asking for “Hypothetical” at the top. See the たら grammar point.

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  Flaviovleal

  Thanks, haven’t got to lesson 8 yet!