Structure
言うまでもない + こと(1) + だが + Phrase
(Phrase (A)) + 言うまでもなく + Phrase (B)
(Phrase (A)) + 言うまでもない + が(2) + Phrase (B)
(1) の
(2) けれども、けれど、けども、けど
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About 言うまでもない ②
Unlike は言うまでもない, which usually comes after other phrases, 言うまでもない tends to come at the beginning. It is a structure that combines the う - Verb 言う, two (2) adverbial particles まで and も, and the い-Adjective ない. This is regularly translated as 'it goes without saying that (A)', or 'it is needless to say (A)', where (A) is whatever comes later in the sentence.
言うまでもない is often followed directly by ことだが, が, けど, and similar expressions, to add the nuance of 'but'.
Fun Fact
言うまでもない is a polite way to express that something is 'obvious', without unintentionally sounding arrogant.
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言うまでもないけど、それが恋だった。
It goes without saying, but that was love.
言うまでもなくもうこんなこと知ってるよね。
It goes without saying that you already know this, right?
しかし、言うまでもなく、私たちはいつものように負けた。
However, it goes without saying, we lost just as always.
言うまでもないことだが、文章を読みやすくするために、括弧は使われている。
It goes without saying that brackets are used to make reading easier.
さだおさんの妻のえみさんは英語は言うまでもなく、韓国語も話せます。
Sadao-san's wife, Emi-san can speak Korean, not to mention English.
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言うまでもない ② – Grammar Discussion
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Pushindawood
it goes without saying
it is needless to say
of course
obviouslyStructure
- 言うまでもない + こと/の + だが、Phrase
- (Phrase) + 言うまでもなく 、Phrase2
- (Phrase) + 言うまでもない + が/けど、Phrase2
[Used to express something obvious, not surprising. Often used to remind/confirm something that should be already known or for emphasis. Can also express “not only, but also”]
[言うまでもないことだが is the most formal variant, generally used only at the beginning of the sentence][Lit. “although it is not necessary to say _____ because you already know, I will still say ______”]
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EdBunpro
Is there any real difference between this and the #1 言うまでもない grammar point? I get the feeling that there might be but (unless I’m missing something!) based off the example sentences I’m not seeing what it may or may not be.
Less to do with the above question, but if there is a variance it would be nice to have the example sentences hone specifically towards this variant to help highlight it for the learner.
FredKore
(1) is “_____ （というの）は 言うまでもない”
(2) is “言うまでもない けど、_____”But I agree, not much difference in nuance.
EdBunpro
That’s what I initially picked up on too, but was confused how the overall sentences meaning changed. Thanks for the examples!
chrischriskurisu
Can you help me understand something about the sample sentence いうまでもないけど、それが恋こいだった ?
Your rules say that if the phrase starts with 言うまでもない directly, then it should be followed by こと/の+だが、
And yet when I answered 言うまでもないことが、ぞれが恋恋だった？, it was marked wrong.
Didn’t I follow your rules? Maybe I made a typo?? I hope you can help. Sorry for the trouble.
Daru
Hey there!
It’s mostly because it doesn’t need to use the full structure all the time. It may be followed by ことだが, が, けど, and similar expressions, to add the nuance of ‘but’.
Adding こと nominalizes what comes before it to further contrast or make a point, as you can see in this sentence:
言うまでもないことだが、毎日漢字の勉強をすれば、どんどん漢字を覚
えることができる。
It goes without saying that if you practice kanji everyday, you will steadily memorize them.
The ‘that if you…’ nuance is what こと adds.
That’s why the answer in that specific sentence needs to be けど.
Hope this helps!
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