点(てん)Aspect, Respect, Point, Way, In terms of, In that, From the point of view

Structure

Verb + 点(てん)(で)
［い］Adjective + 点(てん)(で)
［な］Adjective + な + 点(てん)(で)
Noun + の + 点(てん)(で)
Phrase + という + 点(てん)(で)

Details

About 点

点(てん) is a kanji that is regularly used to express a specific 'point', 'spot', 'aspect', or something similar. When attached to the end of the attributive form of another word, it will highlight that word as a point of interest within the sentence. This is regularly translated as 'from the aspect of (A)', 'in respect to (A)', 'in terms of (A)', and other similar phrases that simply draw attention to something.

To use 点(てん), attach it to the attributive form of another word, a noun followed by の, or a phrase followed by という. In many cases, 点(てん) will be followed by the case marking particle で, but other particles may be used depending whether 点(てん) is being conveyed as a subject, object, destination, or something being utilized.

Sometimes, で (as 'with' or 'at') may be replaced with expressions such as について 'in relation to (A)', or からいうと 'speaking from (A)'. So long as the grammar structure that accompanies 点(てん) is also used to highlight something specific (and can be paired with a noun), it will sound natural.

Examples

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この点(てん)でそのスマホの方(ほう)がいいですよ。

In this respect, that smartphone is better.

英語(えいご)はあらゆる点(てん)で日本語(にほんご)と違(ちが)っている。

English differs from Japanese in all respects. (all points)

何(なん)らかのアクションが必要(ひつよう)であるという点(てん)を総(そう)株主(かぶぬし)は認(みと)めた。

All shareholders agreed on the point that some action is needed.

いくつかの点(てん)で韓国語(かんこくご)やトルコ語(ご)は日本語(にほんご)に似(に)ている。

In some respects, Korean and Turkish are similar to Japanese.

彼(かれ)はちょっと忘(わす)れっぽいという点(てん)で彼(かれ)の父(ちち)と同(おな)じだね。

In terms of being a bit forgetful he is just like his father, right?

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点 – Grammar Discussion

Most Recent Replies (7 in total)

Pushindawood
aspect・respect
point・way
in terms of・in that
from the point of view
Structure
- Verb + 点 (で)
- い-Adjective + 点 (で)
- な-Adjective + な + 点 (で)
- Noun + の + 点 (で)
- Phrase + という + 点 (で)
[Used to express one aspect (a certain part, feature, etc) of something. Often used when comparing, expressing similarity, agreeing or disagreeing, etc.]

[という usually follows longer clauses but does not follow: いくつか、あらゆる、この、その、すべての、このほかの、etc.]

[という also does not follow if the “点” is directly modified like “細かい点” - fine aspect. という must follow direct quotations (quotations that end with ending particles like ね、わ、etc.)]

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s1212z
Is this actually wrong? It’s in the にしたら grammar point.
Daru
That sentence has been updated and improved since then, if you have any other questions let us know!
Christophegand
Hi!

In this phrase:
オレはドアを開けっぱなしにするべきではなかったという点だけについてはあなたに賛成です。

Why don’t we put “で” after “という点”?

The grammar explanation states :
In all cases, 点 must be followed by the 格助詞で.

So what am I missing here?

Thanks for your help.
Daru

Christophegand:

Why don’t we put “で” after “という点”?

Because it can be replaced!
Straight from the write up:

Sometimes, で (as ‘with’ or ‘at’) may be replaced with expressions such as について ‘in relation to (A)’, or からいうと ‘speaking from (A)’. So long as the grammar structure that accompanies 点（） is also used to highlight something specific (and can be paired with a noun), it will sound natural.

In this case, it is used to bring emphasis to the fact that out of all the things this person could possibly agree with, only with the stated fact can they concede the other party is right.

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Christophegand
Yeah. Thank you.
I do feel stupid now because the answer was in the explanation

Maybe I was mislead by the phrase:
“In all cases, 点 must be followed by the 格助詞で.”

Which is not totally true, because later on the explanation states that で can be replaced
Schuylerca
don’t think you were stupid I think that bp should revise this a little -

Having some issues understanding this as well and thought “ALWAYS” ok but then wait exceptions. And what’s worse is there is an example
pasi
This grammar point does seem to have exceptionally difficult training sentences early on.

First two sentences had grammar I wasn’t familiar with (like 何()らか) and then you have sentences with 忘()れっぽい (which I believe is a grammar point that comes later), etc.