どんどんProgressively, Rapidly increasing, More and more

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  Pushindawood

  progressively
  steadily・rapidly
  building up
  more and more

  Structure

  • どんどん + Phrase

  どんどん → swift change
  だんだん → more gradual change

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  rever4217

  How is dondon a more swift change in this case? Why can’t you use dandan here?
  
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  mrnoone

  You can use both answers here (With slightly different nuances)

  As you know, the difference lays in tempo - だんだん would be slower, while どんどん is more rapid. Also, どんどん (comes from drumming noise) sometimes is understood to express continuous change, while だんだん (段々 - kanji used for stairs/steps is used) to express the change that happens in small increments.

  This is why どんどん is most of the time translated as “steadily, rapidly, more and more” while だんだん as “gradually, by degrees, by steps, more and more”.

  When the last translation is used, the nuance is kind of lost though.

  I hope it helps,
  Cheers!

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  Ambo100

  どんどん → swift change
  だんだん → more gradual change

  I keep confusing these two so the way I’m trying to think about them now is:

  どんどん - Also used as Japanese onomatopoeic in Katakana for a drumming and banging noise, so typically fast.

  だんだん - Derived from the kanji form 段々, you can think of this as ‘step by step’ so typically something more gradual.

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  testing

  Thanks for those explanations! I feel like they point me in the right direction, but I’m not sure how to differentiate between “steadily” and “rapidly”.

  E.g., どんどん日本語が上手になりたい。( I want to steadily get better at Japanese.)

  If someone tells me that they want to “steadily” get better at it, it feels like “consistent change”, but not necessarily fast. But does どんどん日本語が上手になりたい。 always have the connotations of both “consistently” and “quickly” at the same time? How would I know which one? It feels like most contexts would make both equally likely.

  Same problem with 日本の人口がどんどん減る。(The Japanese population will steadily decrease.)

  After reading the Japanese sentence, I would’ve expected it to decrease rapidly, but from the English sentence I would expect it to be constant, but not super quick.

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  Kirumi

  If I put だんだん as the answer it says it’s wrong:

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  IcyIceBear

  Did you file a bug report during the review? Those get checked better than here

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  Kirumi

  Didn’t think of that at all, I’ll do that now. Thanks for the tip

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  Fuga

  Hey @Kirumi !

  Since this question is for the grammar point どんどん, だんだん should trigger a hint instead of accepting it as an answer. It seemed like it was showing it as an accepted answer due to our input error, so we have just now fixed this!

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  JeroenDeWachter

  I am really struggling to accept the explanations/translations for this grammar point.

  ‘progressively’, ‘steadily’ and ‘gradually’ are synonyms in the English language and represent a constant change over time so should be the translations for だんだん if I’ve understood anything of it.

  To me it seems that ‘steadily’ has at some point been confused with ‘steadfastly’ as the latter carries the ‘strong’ connotation of どんどん and now everyone just goes along with it.

  Any English majors here who can either confirm the above or lay my doubts to rest?