Grammar Info

N3 Lesson 2: 22/22

点(てん)Aspect, Respect, Point, Way, In terms of, In that, From the point of view

Structure

Verb + 点(てん)(で)
[い]Adjective + 点(てん)(で)
[な]Adjective + な + 点(てん)(で)
Noun + の + 点(てん)(で)
Phrase + という + 点(てん)(で)

Details

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About 点

点(てん) is a kanji that is regularly used to express a specific 'point', 'spot', 'aspect', or something similar. When attached to the end of the attributive form of another word, it will highlight that word as a point of interest within the sentence. This is regularly translated as 'from the aspect of (A)', 'in respect to (A)', 'in terms of (A)', and other similar phrases that simply draw attention to something.

To use 点(てん), attach it to the attributive form of another word, a noun followed by の, or a phrase followed by という. In many cases, 点(てん) will be followed by the case marking particle で, but other particles may be used depending whether 点(てん) is being conveyed as a subject, object, destination, or something being utilized.

Sometimes, で (as 'with' or 'at') may be replaced with expressions such as について 'in relation to (A)', or からいうと 'speaking from (A)'. So long as the grammar structure that accompanies 点(てん) is also used to highlight something specific (and can be paired with a noun), it will sound natural.



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Examples

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  • この点(てん)でそのスマホの方(ほう)がいいですよ。

    In this respect, that smartphone is better.

  • 英語(えいご)はあらゆる点(てん)で日本語(にほんご)と違(ちが)っている。

    English differs from Japanese in all respects. (all points)

  • 何(なん)らかのアクションが必要(ひつよう)であるという点(てん)を総(そう)株主(かぶぬし)は認(みと)めた。

    All shareholders agreed on the point that some action is needed.

  • いくつかの点(てん)で韓国語(かんこくご)やトルコ語(ご)は日本語(にほんご)に似(に)ている。

    In some respects, Korean and Turkish are similar to Japanese.

  • 彼(かれ)はちょっと忘(わす)れっぽいという点(てん)で彼(かれ)の父(ちち)と同(おな)じだね。

    In terms of being a bit forgetful he is just like his father, right?

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      点 – Grammar Discussion

      Most Recent Replies (10 in total)

      • The111

        The111

        日本語は、文章の最後のポジションに動詞があるという点で、ユニークである。

        That is one of the example sentences. My issue is not with the grammar, but with the content of the sentence. I believe it’s inaccurate. IIUC, languages with SOV order are actually the most common.

      • CGTespy

        CGTespy

        In the example sentence for this:

        “In terms of being able to shoot explosive magic, Megumin won’t lose to anyone.”

        I entered てんで and it was marked wrong while というてんで、てんについて and てんからいうと were listed as valid answers. This despite the writeup saying that the format for using てん after verbs is simply adding てんで after said verbs. I know it mentions that the で can be replaced with stuff like について, but it didn’t explain when で would be straight-up wrong. Dunno if this is a bug, but I felt this contradiction was worth mentioning.

      • ka5

        ka5

        The opening post of this topic explains the difference in more specifics than the article does:

        [という usually follows longer clauses but does not follow: いくつか、あらゆる、この、その、すべての、このほかの、etc.]
        [という also does not follow if the “点” is directly modified like “細かい点” - fine aspect. という must follow direct quotations (quotations that end with ending particles like ね、わ、etc.)]

        It’s kind of strange that this information is not in the main article.

        In my limited understanding, with short clauses like this, it’s just a matter of perception if you can treat it as a “verb” and omit という, or have to treat it as a “phrase” and include という.

        It would indeed seem inconsistent to mark てんで wrong, but てんについて correct.

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