様(よう)になるTo reach the point that, To come to be that, To turn into

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  Pushindawood

  to reach the point that

  Structure

  • Verb + よう・に・なる
  • Verb[ ない ] + よう・に・なる

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  ArsDiaboli

  どんどん日本語を聞き取れるようになってきた。
  Shouldn’t this example use が instead of を, since. the verb is in potential form?

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  mrnoone

  Hey

  Either can be used with potential forms, though が is MUCH more common and considered more natural, so I have replaced it to が

  PS
  (Exception is できる which is only used with が like ゲームをする →ゲームができる)

  Cheers!

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  kipufogogaz

  Hello, @Pushindawood !

  I’ve been searching for a grammar point regarding the Verb[negative tense]+なる, however, since I couldn’t find it directly this ようになる grammar point is the most closely related one that I found.
  One of the sources listed contains one such example sentence (http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/surunaru#Using_and_with_verbs):
  地下に入って、富士山が見えなくなった。
  After going underground, Fuji-san became not visible.

  However there isn’t any additional explanation why instead of this phrase:
  見えないようになった
  this one is used:
  見えなくなった
  What is the difference in usage (apart from the obvious absence of ように) between these two?

  Is this「なくなる 」construction listed below a certain grammar point and I just couldn’t find it?

  I’ve found this source as well:

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  Pushindawood

  @kipufogogaz Hey! Thank you for your question. Currently, Bunpro does not have a dedicated grammar point for the なくなる construction. The closest thing that you might be able to find is になる/くなる, which uses a similar conjugation pattern to なくなる for い-adjectives.

  見えないようになった more literally means “it became such a way that I was unable to see it.” While this sounds a bit strange in English, ように focuses on the “in a such a way” and softens the delivery of the sentence.

  見えなくなった simply means “became unable to see.”

  なくなる is a good grammar point to add to the list of possible future additions to the site. Cheers!

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  Talos

  Is there any other grammar point that covers the usage of ようになる with the dictionary form of the verb (rather than the potential form) as discussed in the Quartet textbook?
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  trig

  This point is presented to me in N4 lesson 4. It seems to depend on the plain potential form which I haven’t studied yet; looks like I’ll get to that in lesson 8.

  The “About” currently says:

  To use ようになる, it will need to be added to the plain-potential, non-past form of a verb.

  Clicking “potential” in that sentence gives a grammar-point popup that itself indicates that I haven’t studied it yet:
  
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  mdevapura

  Yep, I just reached this point and am also a bit confused on the matter.

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  MikkaT

  Yes, that is a bit confusing. I mean I just learn the the point from lesson 8 first i guess but it would be good if it would be rearranged in the bunpro N4 deck at least.

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  dharlequin

  Is this example correct?

  私は何か決める時に、誰かに相談するようになった。
  

  The grammar point says that できる should be used instead of する, which doesn’t have a potential form

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  thflx

  Hello!
  I was quite confused as to how this grammar point is used since I haven’t learnt the potential form at this point. Not being able to find the potential form via the search (for some reason) only increased that confusion…
  Is this intentional…?
  I’ll probably go and learn the potential form first manually now, before doing this grammar point… but them being in this order seems kinda weird!

  If this order really is intentional maybe it would be a good idea to add a note that more clearly mentions the other grammar point so one can at least have a quick look at it, since it’s required for this.