余(あま)りSo much...that

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  mrnoone

  English translation:
  so much…that

  Structure
  Verb + あまり
  Verb[ た ] + あまり
  なAdj + な + あまり
  Noun・の + あまり
  いAdj[ さ ]・の + あまり

  Explanation:
  [A あまり B・A surpasses a threshold and causes B・tense is dependent on the main clause・often used with words describing feelings]

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  seanblue

  Do people actually speak the way these example sentences are written? I feel like most of them should be using あまりに instead of just あまり...

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  mrnoone

  Hey

  Actually, 「あまり」by itself is used more often, especially in speechm, than あまりに. I think it might be because it’s shorter.

  Cheers!

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  seanblue

  That’s so interesting. I’ll have to look out for it more when reading and watching anime.

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  Daru

  Hey, I noticed a mistake on the notes of this grammar point:

  The references cite to page 72 of A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar, and while that page is indeed related to あまり, it’s targeted towards the use of “not much”, as in 「昨日、あまり寝られなかった」

  I dug through my books and found out that the actual use seen here is on page 3 of A Dictionary of Intermediate Japanese Grammar. Could we update that accordingly?

  Thanks in advance!

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  mrnoone

  Fixed!

  Sorry for the inconvenience and thank you very much!

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  Daru

  It’s no inconvenience! I work on app development too so I know how these things go, I’m just happy to help!

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  Johnathan-Weir

  In this video they also use the construction:

  あまりの(名詞)に
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  Johnathan-Weir
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  CrisH

  A general question about how the み suffix applies here. I’ve just looked it up, as I’d not come across it before, and wiktionary says that it expresses the quality of an adjective, where さ expresses the degree of said quality. Since the grammar point is specifically about such a degree as to cause a result, when would the み version be used? It doesn’t seem there are any examples of it to try to compare the two, either.

  Thanks,
  Cris

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  Daru

  Hey @CrisH!

  I’d like to first build upon what you’ve already said. Both ～み and ～さ nominalize adjectives. Note the following:

  • Not all adjectives can nominalize into BOTH み and さ.
  • When you’re using ～み （悲しみ・温かみ・厚み）you’re just describing what you see and making it a noun. Which is why you often see it as “-ness”: Sadness, Warmness (literal), Thickness. This doesn’t work with ALL adjectives, for example you can’t stay 大きみ since “bigness” isn’t really a thing, but…
  • You can say how big a big thing is. 大きさ・重さ would be closer to “size” and “weight”, since you can measure it or compare levels of.
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  pasi

  Hey, I have a question about one of the examples for this grammar point. This isn’t strictly related to the grammar in question but other part of the sentence:

  旅行への楽しみさの余り、今日は寝れなさそう

  What is the なさ in 寝れなさそう?

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  IcyIceBear

  It’s how the negative verb pairs with そう

  そう grammar discussion

  Helpful comment from that discussion

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  schumi

  Still about the example sentence
  旅行への楽しみさのあまり、今日は寝れなさそう。

  I’m fine with either 楽しみ or 楽しさ and the difference was nicely explained by @Daru above. However, I am seriously confused that we have both み and さ at the same time. Is this really correct? It seems I can find this combination nowhere else and (if that counts for anything) it does not seem to make so much logical sense to nominalize first with み and then nominalize again with さ. It does make sense maybe to say you nominalize 楽しみ as a な-Adjective? Anyway I would just like to confirm that this isn’t a typo.

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  Warrie

  I came here because I stumbled upon the same issue. Could anyone explain this please?

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  nazump

  This grammar point trips me up nearly every single time. I’m so used to using it in negative sentences that I am finding it hard to train my brain to recognize when to use it in a positive way

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  Isurandil492

  The explanation says:

  ［い］Adjective［み］+ の + あまり + (Negative Result) Phrase

  The sentence is:

  旅行が楽しみ____、今日は寝れなさそう。

  “のあまり” fails hard and gets corrected to “なあまり”. Someone please explain

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  Fuga

  Hey @Isurandil492 !

  This gets corrected to なあまり since 楽しみ is a な-adjective! Since it is a な-adjective, it will follow the structure ‘［な］Adjective + な + あまり + (Negative Result) Phrase’

  I hope this answers your question!

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  casual

  楽しみ is such a confusing word if you think about it too much. Dictionaries also list it as a noun in addition to な-adjective, and there are usages like 楽しみの一つ、楽しみのために、楽しみの方が that place it as a noun.
  I think it has something to do with expectation of enjoyment vs just enjoyment in vacuum? But not sure.

  I’m just glad this sentence no longer uses 「楽しみさ」

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  Isurandil492

  So, the issue is that it is not a form of 楽しい, but a word on its own. How would that sentence have to look if we were to use 楽しい?