ないでWithout doing, Not ~ and ~

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  Jake

  without doing, not…and…

  Structure

  • Verb[ない] + で

  [AないでB is often used to express that B has been done without A - which is usually expected]

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  jprspereira

  Missing a full stop in the following example sentence:

  食べてからジェットコースターに乗らないで。

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  mrnoone

  Thanks! Fixed

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  Gqad

  I’m a bit confused about when to use ないで and when to use other grammar structures that have the approximate meaning of ‘don’t’. I understand the ‘without doing x’ usage.

  For example, when do I use ないで vs な vs something that approximates the meaning of ‘don’t’ like てはいけない？

  It’s really funky to me when ないで is used at the end of a sentence.

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  seanblue

  ないで in that usage is like て, just for negatives. Like you could gently say “don’t eat the cake” with ケーキを食べないでね.

  食べるな is a command and 食べてはいけない is like saying you must not eat the cake. Both sound much more forceful than 食べないで to me.

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  fjdksleiwoqp

  Can someone explain the difference between these two sentences?

  何も言わないで、出て行った。
  何も言わなくて、出て行った。

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  mrnoone

  Hey and welcome on community forums!

  This might help:
  

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  seanblue

  @mrnoone For this grammar point, I see the note “Softer than the prohibitive ‘な’”. This confused me at first since my review was for the adverbial use of ないで, not the command version. Specifically:

  日本に行ったことがないから、勉強しないで行くのはやめたほうがいいと思う。[する]

  Even if they are related, would you consider these two separate grammar points?

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  mrnoone

  Good idea!

  For the time being, I have replaced that short note with:
  " [Often used on the end of the sentence as the contraction of ないでください", which is a softer way to express prohibition than “な”]"

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  Invertex

  I seem to be lacking a bit of knowledge about how the full meaning of this sentence is indicated:

  お父さんはまだ寝ているので、大きい声を出さないで遊んでね。
  Since dad is still sleeping, play without talking loudly.

  If it is saying to “play” at the end, why is it ending with “ね”?
  This seems like a different usage to the ね grammar point we were taught here.
  Is the んでね combination something we learn later? I couldn’t really find anything relevant when searching the grammar points page for ね. Or was this meant to be the “んです” we’ve been taught, in which case I’m guessing that’s just a contracted form or a mistake?

  My only guess why this sentence ends with ね is that it’s being said from the perspective of a loving mother looking for a sort of slight, but not explicit confirmation from their children that they understand the command/suggestion?

  Thanks!

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  seanblue

  Well, the grammar point taught here is ないで, not ね. So they are unrelated.

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  Invertex

  Yeah I understand it’s not the grammar point at hand but it’s within the context of it so thought posting here was most appropriate.

  I didn’t really realize ね could be used in such a non-questioning manner, that’s good to know, thanks.

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  reverie

  Seems it’s resolved, but since I ended up here this morning for something else…
  ね isn’t something that really is requiring an outright response, like a question. It can be often be used in the way we’d tag our sentences with words like"ok?" or “isn’t it?” or “y’know” or “huh?” It seems to just…make the conversation interactive, allowing the other person to just nod in response without requiring an answer.

  大きい声を出さないで遊んでね。 Play quietly, ok?

  A: いい天気ですね。 B: そうですね。
  A: Nice weather isn’t it? B: It is, isn’t it?

  If ね required a worded response the conversation would go on forever, ha ha.

  Anyway, I’m here because I’m having trouble with sentences like

  because the hint is

  instead of “Work and don’t take a break.” (which is understandably awkw...

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  mrnoone

  Hey

  You are correct:+1:

  ないで is not necessarily prohibitive, it means “…not, and…” or “…without…”. It is basically used to connect two clauses, like て form.
  Though it is used in ...

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  Meatdog

  Can we get some examples for this grammar point when it expresses “The second is to request that someone ‘not do (A)’.”?

  Every example sentence I’ve found ultimately fits in the first grammar point “The first is to express ‘without doing (A), (B)’.”

  What would an example of a request to no do (A) look like?

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  IcyIceBear

  言わないで（ください）
  Don’t say it (please)