と言(い)うのは事実(じじつ)だIt is a fact that ~, There is no doubt that

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  mrnoone

  English translation:
  It is a fact that ~
  There is no doubt that

  Structure:
  Phrase + (という)のは事実だ

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  eefara

  The structure box on the grammar page looks a little weird:

  Phrase + (という)のは事実だ
  Phrase + だ というのは事実 (だ・です)

  Should these both be here? I see that only the first structure example is here on this topic; I’m guessing the だ is specifically needed after nouns?

  And what’s the criteria for whether or not という should be included? Is it generally optional?

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  mrnoone

  @eefara

  Hey

  I have changed the structure a bit, to make it easier to read.

  When it comes to と, だ is optional after noun or な adjective.
  (Though in some cases it is more natural to never add だ like といっても)

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  eefara

  Thank you for the thorough reply!

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  ulurujamman

  Can こと substitute for の here?

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  mrnoone

  @ulurujamman
  Hey

  Good question!

  You can substitute の with こと, it will be correct and understandable. However, の is used more often to say that than こと, so I would stick to it.

  It is a similar case to のが好き and のが嫌い、ことが好き、ことが嫌い are also used but are less common that の versions.
  Though I would say that it is more noticeable with 嫌い・好き than with は事実だ。

  I hope it helps,
  Cheers!

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  MZa

  Thanks for the explanation @mrnoone .

  In the example sentence: " 彼（かれ）が俳優（はいゆう）だというのはじじつだ" the version without という is not accepted as a valid answer. According to your explanation of the cases where という is mandatory, it seems to me it doesn’t apply here: the phrase does not end with an ending particule and is not unfinished. Is the use of だ another case where という is mandatory? だのは does not sound very nice, maybe this is the reason?

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  Daru

  It’s because its ending with だ. You can say “彼が俳優のは事実だ”, but, the answer we’re looking for includes that だ, which would need to be omitted for this hypothetical alternate answer to work.

  Hope this cleared it up a bit! It’s mostly a quirk of the quiz system rather than some weird grammar shenanigans.

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  MZa

  Thanks @Daru, indeed this cleared it up!

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  Daru

  Also, sorry for the year-old reply.

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  electrosuccess

  Hi, sorry for digging up an old conversation, but I don’t quite understand why this sentence gives me the alt answer without という part then:
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  Fuga

  Hey @electrosuccess !

  This seems like an error on our end so we have just fixed it! という needs to be included here! Thanks for letting us know about this!