ままに (As Is)As is, While remaining, Left in a state

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  mrnoone

  English translation:
  as is
  while remaining
  left in a state

  Structure:
  Verb[ た ] + まま
  Verb[ ない ] + まま
  いAdj + まま
  Noun・の + まま
  なAdj・な + まま

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  jeffusan

  There’s a bunch of related grammar that shows up in conversation that combines まま with other particles words, any plans of these to be added in future?

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  mrnoone

  Hey

  We plan to include those too

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  Eironeous

  In a review for this grammar point I got the sentence, コートをきたままだと少し暑いです。(I feel a little hot keeping this jacket on.)

  What is the role of だと there? Is it a と conditional, making a literal translation closer to “If I keep this coat on, I will feel a little hot”?

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  Pushindawood

  @Eironeous That is exactly right! Do you think a more literal translation would better suit this sentence to prevent any further confusion? Cheers!

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  Eironeous

  I personally don’t feel like it’s necessary, especially if the current translation carries over the intended meaning better. The literal translation in English makes the intended meaning sound a little more like a たら conditional, doesn’t it? What tripped me up was actually not seeing a まま + だと combination before, and the three grammar sources I used (Tae Kim, Maggie’s explanation and even Dictionary of Japanese Grammar) did not give a まま + だと example. And of course, since asking this question I’ve seen it pop up elsewhere, too.

  If I voted for any change, it’d be to maybe add a note regarding what it is commonly combined with, such as で, に and だと. As in, add it as a comment in orange letters below, where it currently says [The state of something remains unchanged]. Again though, I didn’t think it too confusing, and when studying grammar such questions are inevitable anyway.

  Thanks for the response!

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  Neko

  I always confuse this with てある
  do we use まま when there is already a sentence ending verb or are there more differences?

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  Daru

  One basic difference I can think of is that while both てある and まま mean that something was left in that state, the “something that must be left alone/undisturbed” nuance is unique to まま.

  てある is just stating the fact.

  Hope this helps!

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  soundjona

  Isn’t it a bit strange that in thise case, the に is rejected ? Also could be maybe just a suggestion to remove it ?
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  casual

  I would hazard a guess that このまま (このまま – Vocabulary details – jpdb ) is just an expression that is never followed by に. At least an online search for “このままに” gives very few results.