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N3 Lesson 2: 19/22


After, Upon

In A上でB: A cannot be passive


Verb[た]+ (うえ)
Noun + + (うえ)


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About 上で

(うえ) is an expression in Japanese that is used after the past form of verbs, or nouns followed by の. It shows that something will happen 'after (A)', or 'upon (A)'. This grammar point is used in a similar way to its literal meaning, which is 'with the above/previous (A), (B)'. (うえ) as 'above', and as 'with', in で's use as a case marking particle.
  • この企画(きかく)社長(しゃちょう)相談(そうだん)した(うえ)、キャンセルすることに()めました。
    Upon consulting the CEO of the company, we have decided to cancel this project.
  • (いろ)んな(くるま)運転(うんてん)した(うえ)どの(くるま)()うか()めたい(おも)います
    Upon driving various cars, I would like to choose which car to purchase.
  • 以下(いか)内容(ないよう)確認(かくにん)(うえ)、サインてください
    Upon confirming the details below, please sign your name.
  • 以下(いか)リンクからログイン(うえ)内容(ないよう)変更(へんこう)てください
    Upon logging in from the link below, please change your information.
(うえ) is a structure that is primarily used in formal settings. Due to this, it will not be used in casual conversations very often. It also strongly hints at (A) being a requirement for (B), or (A) being something that would logically be expected before (B).
  • こちら商品(しょうひん)医者(いしゃ)相談(そうだん)した(うえ)使用(しよう)てください
    Please use this product upon consulting with a doctor.
Due to (うえ) being used to show logical progressions from (A) to (B), (A) cannot be a verb that is passive. Passivity in Japanese often implies that someone/thing has a lack of control in relation to the actions that happen to them/it. As a result of this, (A) not being able to be controlled would result in (B) sounding like it could not be planned for.
  • 医者(いしゃ)(おし)えられた(うえ)使用(しよう)てください。 (Unnatural)
    Please use this upon being told to be a doctor.
This is different to the way that passivity works in English (simply showing that something received an action upon it).




    I am thinking that I will buy the house after I have seen the inside. (upon)


    Please use it after reading the instructions. (upon)


    After making changes, you should check whether or not there are any mistakes. (upon)


    I would like to make the decision about undergoing surgery, after I discuss it with my wife. (upon)


    Upon careful investigation, the defendant has been found guilty. (after)

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上で – Grammar Discussion

Most Recent Replies (21 in total)

  • nekoyama


    This grammar point is about past+上で which is different from dictionary form+上で. It looks like the video linked in the resources section covers it in the second half.

    I’d read 歴史を知るうえで重要な資料 as “important materials for learning about history”.

  • mblasco23


    Ah, my bad. Thanks so much!

  • PierreRene


    I can‘t find any information about this case dictionary form + 上で. Is it missing in bunpro?

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