ばかりでなくNot only…but also, As well as

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  mrnoone

  English translation:
  not only…but also
  as well as

  Structure:
  Verb + ばかりか / ばかりでなく
  Noun + ばかりか / ばかりでなく
  いAdj + ばかりか / ばかりでなく
  なAdj・な + ばかりか / ばかりでなく

  Explanation:
  [more formal “not only, but also” pattern than だけでなく]

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  Munzu

  田中さんはサッカーばかりでなく水泳も上手です。

  Why can’t I say と共に in this case? Both mean “as well as” but when I try と共に, it says it’s wrong.

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  mathijsdm

  While I don’t think it’s grammatically incorrect, I think it’s quite an important matter of nuance here (which wouldn’t be clear when looking at it purely from the English translation).

  When we look up と共に in the DoIJG we see that it is

  “a phrase which is used to express the idea that A and B share a common property or do the same thing together, that two things take place at the same time, or that s.o. or s.t. possesses two properties”

  So, we could argue that in your example sentence Tanaka shares the common property of being good at both soccer and swimming. And I think this is probably grammatically correct (I don’t dare make guarantees as I’ve used both grammar points REALLY sparingly myself up to now, and I don’t find anything that notes any interchangeability between these grammar points anywhere with a brief cursory look, so I would tread carefully either way).

  The reason it is probably marked as...

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  Munzu

  Thank you! Yeah, I’ve always thought of it with the element of surprise in mind because that’s how it reads in Japanese but since the English translation sounds so matter of fact it made me think of と共に instead of ばかりでなく

  Tanaka is good at soccer as well as swimming.

  If I recall correctly, there was no yellow clarification to disambiguate the two either so I think that could be improved, assuming I’m not missing anything.

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  FredKore

  I took a quick look at this in Cram and the yellow nuance hint says
  [not only, but also ・ formal pattern]
  I think that points you to ばかりでなく because of the translation and because と共に is casual. If you haven’t already done so, I recommend changing your settings so that “Review English” is set to “Always Show Nuance”. For these tricky ones.

  Also, I think the も in the second half of the sentence also makes it less likely to be と共に.

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  wct

  Instead of filing a direct bug report, since this issue involves more than one grammar point, I thought I’d post the issue here. Also can get community feedback on it.

  I’m just learning this grammar point via the BunPro N3 deck ordering.

  In the Caution box at the bottom, it says:

  Although this grammar point ばかりでなく(N3 Lesson 6: 10/24) is seemingly referencing the earlier grammar point だけでなく (N4 Lesson 8: 15/18), both of the links in the Caution box actually link to a later grammar point, namely
  だけでなくて～も (N3 Lesson 6: 12

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  wct

  Also, there’s another issue with this grammar point’s text:

  In the About section, all four example use the augmented pattern ばかりではなく, with the extra は thrown in there. I’m not sure why all four sentences would need to use ではなく instead of just でなく, since this point is described mainly in terms of でなく.

  However, it’s possible that the original intention was to have, say, two sentences using でなく, and then another two using ではなく, with some text in between explaining the different nuance. I say this because there is already text after the four sentences saying:

  Perhaps the resolution could be:

  1. Change the first two (or three, or whatever) sentences so that they only need/use でなく.
  2. Move the paragraph ...