Grammar Info

N4 Lesson 6: 6/16

~ても・でもEven if, Even though

Structure

Verb[て]
[い]Adjective[て]
[な]Adjective
Noun+


Verb[なくて]
[い]Adjective[なくて]
[な]Adjectiveでなくて(1)
Noun+でなくて(1)

(1) じゃなくて

Details

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About ても

The combination of the conjunction particle (or the case-marking particle ), with the adverbial particle , often has the nuance of 'even if (A)', or 'even though (A)'.

To use this structure, simply conjugate a verb or い-Adjective into its て-form, and then add .

For nouns and な-Adjectives, でも will be used instead.

This grammar pattern may also be used for highlighting negative sentences, and will translate similarly to 'even if not (A)', or 'even though not (A)' in these cases.

Fun Fact

でも (the form after nouns and な-Adjectives) is often considered to be an adverbial particle itself, and there is often debate amongst native speakers as to whether でも is actually a word, or simply a standard grouping of , the case marking particle and , the adverbial particle. However, It may be easier to remember でも as its own word, for learning purposes.



Examples

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  • 試合(しあい)()けても(あきら)ません

    Even if I lose the game, I won't quit.

  • トレーニングしても()ない

    Even if I work out, I don't lose weight.

  • 靴下(くつした)()いても(あし)(つめ)です

    Even if I wear socks, my feet get cold.

  • たくさんサラダ()べても、お(なか)いっぱいにならないんです

    Even if I eat a lot of salad, I don't get full.

  • 子供(こども)何回(なんかい)()きて()っても()なかった

    Even though I told the kid to wake up multiple times, he didn't get up.

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      ても – Grammar Discussion

      Most Recent Replies (11 in total)

      • The111

        The111

        I wrote a post (very long, admittedly) here attempting to generate discussion about the “fun fact” in this lesson: https://community.bunpro.jp/t/discussion-on-the-in-n4s-even-if-even-though

        tl;dr I think the fun fact is wrong when it claims that で is a case-marking particle here. I would really love to get some feedback on this. Thanks!

      • TarekC

        TarekC

        Hello. Wootau asked this question above and it seems to still be unanswered. Do yall know why the structure section lists the main negative versions for nouns and な-adjs to be:

         [な]Adjective+でなくて(1)+も
         Noun+でなくて(1)+も
        

        and not just the ない forms + も as shown below:

         [な]Adjective+ではなくて(1)+も
         Noun+ではなくて(1)+も
        

        Is it because である is used to form the negatives of the noun and な-adj, which would make the negative forms be でない, then でなくて? Thanks

      • The111

        The111

        This is very closely related to my comment above (and the long linked thread). And it’s also closely related to this incorrect quote in the lesson:

        The combination of the conjunction particle て (or the case-marking particle で) . . .

        Let’s examine a number of cases one by one and see how this claim holds up. Eventually we’ll get to your specific Q.

        Case 1: positive verb.

        食べても, …

        A natural translation is “even if I eat, …”
        A painfully literal translation is “I eat, and eve...

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